
In Outrage, an exhilarating new film from director Kirby Dick (This Film is Not Yet Rated, Twist of Faith), the lives of closeted gay politicians are brought to light. It points to a number of Washington lawmakers including Florida governor Charlie Grist and former New York City mayor Ed Koch among others as examples of how closeted politicians damage both their own lives as well as that of gay and lesbians Americans. We spoke with Dick about the film’s impact so far. Outrage debuts on HBO on October 5.
Some critics noted that the film sets out to expose closeted lawmakers, but that isn’t at all what Outrage is about, is it?
Not at all. I was reporting on the hypocrisy of closeted politicians who vote anti-gay. This is something the gay press has been reporting on for 20 years. In fact, this film is built in large part on the work of the gay press, and they’ve been making the case very persuasively that this kind of hypocrisy is really damaging to gays and lesbians throughout the country. Audiences were completely taken aback by this information—even a majority of gay audiences—because the mainstream media hasn’t reported on this. I think this film has already gone a long way toward changing how this issue is reported on by the mainstream media.
The film was released theatrically last spring. What have been some of the responses you’ve heard so far?
I expected some people to be opposed to this kind of reporting. I haven’t had that happen in one single Q&A, and I think it’s a testament to the fact that the film makes a very strong case for reporting on closeted politicians who vote anti-gay. Also, what I found is that audiences seem to be very grateful. I have people line up just to shake my hand and say, “Thank you so much for making this film.” I think there was a real feeling that this is a story that just absolutely wasn’t being covered. It’s a very important story, and audiences are very grateful that this film is out there.
Were you surprised by any of the politicians outed in the film?
I guess the surprise came right at the beginning when I was in Washington, D.C., and people just started rattling off names. I said, “But there’s been no mainstream coverage of this and this issue of hypocrisy?” and people said, “No,” so I thought this was a perfect opportunity to make a film.
Was there a specific incident that acted as the catalyst for making this film?
It was August 2006, this is before the Mark Foley scandal and before Larry Craig, I was in Washington, D.C., and somebody mentioned, just in passing, that Karl Rove [who is not mentioned in the movie] was gay, and I did a double take. That would make a great film. I just started probing and then everything else came out about the closet in politics, and it was really at that point that it had everything going for it as a film. It was an urgent political issue in the way that it affected policy, it was psychologically very complex, and it was something the mainstream media had avoided covering for two decades. I had been working on another film at that time, hadn’t started production, and just put that aside and decided this is the film I want to make.
What was it like then, in the middle of filming this, having the Mark Foley and Larry Craig scandals unfold around you?
It was definitely helpful. It put the story on the map so that when the film came out people were ready for a more in-depth look at it. It made the film seem extremely current.
Were there closeted politicians you were following that you would’ve like to have included but you just couldn’t get enough information on them to make a credible case?
There were a number of politicians that I’m aware of that I strongly believe are closeted, that do vote anti-gay; I just didn’t feel like I had enough information to conclusively report on them in my film. What’s interesting is that people really keep these secrets for a long time. I’d talk to people who would have information and be very supportive of the film, seem to want to go on camera, and then when I’d get back in touch with them a few days later they’d had second thoughts. People were very afraid that either personally or in terms of their business, there’d be very serious repercussions. These politicians are very powerful, certainly within their district, and certainly within D.C., and people are very careful. Careers could be destroyed if people come forward and tell the truth.
Any response from people inside Washington about the film?
No. Classically, the way that politicians have dealt with this reporting is to ignore it. And this was for the most part no different. Ed Koch did come forward and say that he was outraged by Outrage. I have to say I appreciated the fact that he mentioned the title of the film twice in his comment.
Why does the media tacitly go along with this?
There’s a number of reasons. I think reporters, over the last decade in particularly, have wanted to report on this and the decisions have been made higher up not to report on this. Some of these journalistic outfits are afraid of turning off or offending readership by reporting in detail on issues that have to deal with homosexuality. Other [media outlets] have close relationships with these politicians and they feel like, why should they anger them or jeopardize their access to politicians by doing this kind of reporting. It’s the responsibility of the press to report on hypocrisy wherever they find it; they shouldn’t in any way limit or censor themselves.
Will this film really enact a change in dialogue among the public or will we let this tacit agreement of not talking about the issue continue?
No single film can really change things. It has influenced the press, and the press has influence over the public. But in another way, I think it influences people going into politics and people in politics. Many, many people who are gay and young and going into politics are going to see this film and they’re going to realize that it’s the wrong decision and very destructive personally and politically, and I think this film is going to influence that group of people. As a result of this, I think you’re going to see more people running as out politicians over the next generation.